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Bluesman82 The Ultimate Go-to Abandonware Hunter Posts: 238 (9/2/02 4:45 pm) Reply	... Congratulations. Out of curiousity Mig, did you have to deepen the routs when you put the p-90 in your neck position? Or just widen them?
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 354 (9/2/02 6:46 pm) Reply	um.. i don't think i had to deepen the rout for the p90, although i should have. i was having some problems with output, but i was luckily able to adjust the pole pieces to compensate. i really didn't want to have to take the p90 back out because i kind of broke the cheap screws that came with it, so taking it out/putting it back in would have been a huge pain in the ass. in other news: i finally got my distortions to a point where i like them both. i'm going home within the next week or two, so i should finally be able to work on my guitar some more.
Bluesman82 The Ultimate Go-to Abandonware Hunter Posts: 239 (9/2/02 7:30 pm) Reply	... I'm thinking of taking my cheapo strat body, replacing the neck (with the Roadstar, I presume), slapping a black pickguard on there, and instead of putting the p90/hum/p90, or whatever I had in mind before, I'm thinking of doing p90s in all three positions. I think that'd be cool. Unfortunately it's going to have to come along in steps, as I doubt I'll have the money for the pickup change for awhile. Hopefully within a few weeks I can get my hands on a neck and pickguard though, thus finishing the aesthetics. Still not sure whether I'm going to go with three real p90s, or the single coils that are "almost a p90." Something I have to think about. The singles might be cheaper/easier, but of course, I wouldn't get the looks that I'd get when people see I'm playing a bastard strat with three p-90s either.
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 119 (9/3/02 1:05 pm) Reply	Re: ... Well, I debuted the cheapo strat at the show we had Saturday. Fred from Minibosses/Trois Pistoles laughed at me when the volume knob fell off mid song. I guess I didn't tighten down the little screw in the knob well enough. It was embarrassing. F you, Fred. Just kidding. That guitar is more for the Fvck Computers than After Any Accident anyway.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 355 (9/3/02 1:57 pm) Reply	damn knobs i've never had much success with those screw on knobs, so i just don't bother with them anymore.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 360 (9/13/02 6:44 pm) Reply	success! after two hours of soldering, resoldering, and burning the hell out of my finger, i finally got my guitar in working order. i went back to the coil split with the humbucker because i was tired of trying to make the series/parallel work. i found out that the reason my hummer wasn't working is because the green wire was severed (don't i feel silly). i still get some hum when i touch the volume or tone knob, but it isn't nearly as bad as it was and i'm not going to mess with it anymore. in other news: i won an electro harmonix noise silencer (gate) off of ebay today. i was quite happy until i found out i had to call the fucking buyer to arrange everything. so i had to go buy a damn phone card, tell the guy the item number and actual item about 4 times, and then found out that i had to pay $12 for shipping. twelve fucking dollars to ship a pedal. oh well...
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 361 (9/13/02 7:56 pm) Reply	fuck fuck fuck ok, so i soldered another .001 mf capacitor to the output jack because the tone was still too bright. took care of that problem and decided to lower the pickups as the output was too high. that was fine for my bridge and middle pickups, but the p90 in the neck is still way to high in output, and the only way to lower it is to chisel the hole deeper-so it looks like i have another project to do next time i go home (no access to chisels here at school).
Bluesman82 The Ultimate Go-to Abandonware Hunter Posts: 262 (9/16/02 10:50 am) Reply	... Alright, question for you John... I've never replaced the neck on a guitar before. I know that bolt-on neck dimensions are "somewhat" universal and will fit most bodies. I have the specs for the pocket, but was wondering if I should anticipate any problem with the 4 bolt holes on the neck fitting the ones already on my body.
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 120 (9/17/02 1:30 pm) Reply	Re: ... Strats and Teles have different neck pockets, so those necks are not interchangeable without modification or gaps, depending on which neck you're attaching to which body. For bodies, I have had a Fender Jazzmaster, a warmoth JM, and a carvin strat. For necks, I've had two Fender JM necks, a borrowed Fender Strat neck, a Warmoth strat neck, and an ibanez Roadstar neck, and all fit all the bodies. So, I think it's safe to say that the routing is fairly universal. However, there are exceptions - I know G&L necks are different, and I know that my wife's glam-strat Washburn isn't standard either. As for the holes, well, you may have luck and you may not. The holes on the Carvin body are much closer together than any other body I've had. So, I can't safely say. Plus, if the holes were drilled crooked on one guitar and straight on another, you will end up with the neck on crooked if you switch necks. You'll probably be able to switch one for another and everything will be fine, especially if you aren't switching manufacturers. In case you aren't so lucky, the solution to all this is to simply fill the holes with wood glue and thin strips (long splinters) of wood, let it dry, and then lightly sand down any protrusions from the filled holes. Then just redrill to get the neck on straight. If you screw up, do it all over again. You can do this a few times before you significantly weaken the wood. Also, it doesn't have to be pretty since it all gets covered anyway.
Bluesman82 The Ultimate Go-to Abandonware Hunter Posts: 269 (9/17/02 2:56 pm) Reply	... That about covers it. Thanks.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 362 (9/22/02 5:08 pm) Reply	bridge another possible pre-update: i'm thinking about getting a new bridge for christmas and converting my tele to a string-through body situation. first i'm going to make sure it isn't too big of a risk, however.
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 66 (9/23/02 12:59 am) Reply	.>!>>!>>! hehe. now im having guitar problems. i've got no pickups anymore. i did the flip and the winding with thin copper and i think that did something to my shit because now theres an unresponsive chasm gaping in my guitar, no working pickups anymore..
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 370 (9/29/02 1:59 pm) Reply	... yeah, i'm definitely going for the string through mod. i'm also going to replace my bass pickups, so i'm open to any suggestions. i'll probably get all of these parts for christmas, so it'll be awhile before any of this gets done, but i may get too anxious and scrounge up some money from somewhere. anyway, i'll keep everyone updated.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 372 (10/3/02 11:25 pm) Reply	... looks like i'll be chiseling away this weekend. i'm going home so that means i can deepen my p90 rout. i really didn't want to do this a) because the screws that came with the pickup were terrible and will be nearly impossible to get out, much less put back in, and b) the wood between the pickup and the neck is literally coming off in pieces, and that can't be good. i'll post results of course, though it appears that everyone has lost interest in this thread.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 373 (10/4/02 6:16 pm) Reply	winding shawn-if you can't get those pickups working again, i'm pretty sure you can send them to the seymour duncan custom shop and they'll fix them for a price...actually, you could probably just take them to a local tech. or, if you wanted them fixed for free (maybe), you could send them to me and let me fuck with them...i can almost guarantee you that they wouldn't get fixed, but it sure would be fun.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 377 (10/5/02 7:08 pm) Reply	giving in after some discussion, i found that getting a graphite or bone nut would actually increase sustain better than going for my bridge project. i also found out that i should have it done by a tech rather than try to do it myself. so i'm probably going to give in and take my guitar to a tech for this sometime soon.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 378 (10/5/02 7:36 pm) Reply	nevermind on second thought, i don't think i'll have the nut replaced since i've considered getting a new neck...i'll make up my mind one of these days. in other news, i'm getting ready to start chiseling.
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 78 (10/6/02 1:32 am) Reply	*** im thinking im just going to get a whole new guitar altogether, you can only rock a stringset that's as deep as mine with a guitar with a bolt on neck for so long i run .64-.13 on my guitars and after so long you ust need to lay it to rest...newer guitars are almost always better... sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
bluegoriya registered miniboss Posts: 23 (10/6/02 1:44 am) Reply	Re: *** new guitars always play better because if you takeoff the neck and dont know what the fuck your doing , your left with a shittty guitar- ass. ps i cant wait on the update im jizzing in my pants. pps i replaced the my nut and put it your mouth!
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 380 (10/6/02 9:39 am) Reply	... shawn-good luck on your decision alright, did enough chiseling for now. i shouldn't have to do any more. also, the wood between my humbucker and neck pickup decided to come off while i was chiseling which can't be the greatest thing to happen to my guitar-but i'm not too worried. now i just have to reassemble everything, and resolder some things when i get back to school (bridge pickup is scratchy). also, i've decided that i want an 80's japanese fender strat neck. i'm not sure if i want a rosewood or maple fretboard yet, so i'm going to borrow a neck from someone and see which wood i prefer tonally.
Bluesman82 The Ultimate Go-to Abandonware Hunter Posts: 306 (10/6/02 7:40 pm) Reply	Re: ... I'm going maple on my replacement neck. Still looking for a Roadstar neck. Unfortunately, none have popped up on Ebay in the last few weeks. Damn. I'm getting impatient. Edited by: Bluesman82 at: 10/6/02 10:15:27 pm
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 381 (10/8/02 3:48 pm) Reply	a if you've ever considered installing a p90 in a guitar i must highly recommend a seymour duncan vintage p90. now that i've lowered it to a point of reasonable output it's absolutely amazing. i honestly can't explain what it is, but it seems to have a character all it's own. i've never heard anything like it. it's amazing. buy one. now.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 400 (10/29/02 5:21 pm) Reply	... this is what i'm going for now: for christmas i'm going to get new bass pickups (most likely seymour duncan quarter pound p bass and sd hot jazz), and a strat neck if i can find one (still haven't decided on maple or rosewood fingerboard). since i'll have an extra neck lying around, i'm planning on getting a new body sometime during next semester. i'd like to get a mockingbird body, but i'm sure it'd look terrible with that tele neck. so if i don't go for the mockingbird, i'll just order some other style of body from warmoth. i want a double humbucker body, and i'll put my jb in the bridge position and i'll probably get an sd jazz for the neck. that, and next summer i'm planning on getting a les paul. alright. that's the new plan, hopefully everything goes well. speaking of necks: did you find one yet bluesman?
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 105 (10/29/02 8:05 pm) Reply	so yeah. well...i took off the pickguard and the back plate off my sg, and all the wiring looks good, everythings tight and everything..i have no clue whats wrong with this guitar. ive been playing my ibanez and i couldnt be happier with it, im just going to ask for another guitar for christmas i think, im going to talk to nat from oxes about tracking down one of those ABC all aluminum guitars, if youve never seen one, do a search for 'oxes' and check out the guitars they use, they're so small and delicate looking but ive seen the oxes fall all over the place and not mess them up...it seems i need something like that, something very durable, since my guitars fall out of tune with even huge strings on them... sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 401 (10/29/02 8:37 pm) Reply	? did you check the wiring on the output jack?
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 108 (10/29/02 10:40 pm) Reply	***** yeah, checked all wiring, the wiring on the pickup itself, and checked it with another pickup, its nothing really that i could see.....its bad...somethings not conencted somewhere..hehe sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 437 (12/20/02 10:57 pm) Reply	you didn't think i was going to let this thread die, did you alright, so i had a hellacious hum emitting from my guitar. after installing a ground wire and rewiring a few times, i finally discovered that the wire coming from the output jack wasn't grounded properly. i felt fucking stupid for going through all of that work for something so simple. i also ruined my volume pot, but i luckily have an old one that still works (though you can't turn the volume completely off). i guess this means i should finally get those 250k pots that i should have gotten in the first place. i'll be getting those as soon as i get some money. on to the pre-update: i'll be receiving a seymour duncan quarter pounder for p-bass pickup, as well as an sd hot for jazz for christmas. i'll also be getting a 62 reissue strat neck (rosewood fingerboard) with gotoh tuners. all of these are christmas presents. i'll be hacking up my old bass and putting in the pickups that will be coming out of my p bass. i'm also planning on getting a mockingbird body from warmoth and putting my tele neck on it (it will be the ugliest guitar ever, i swear). i'm thinking of staining it blue, but i may change my mind. i'll be putting my sd jb in the bridge and probably be getting an sd jazz for the neck. this project may also be funded by student loans. alright, that's it for now.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 438 (12/20/02 11:00 pm) Reply	oh yeah... i broke the 16 ohm output jack on my mig-50 head, so i've got to fix that too. i'll probably just take a jack out of one of my old broken amps and use it. that, or take one out of my big muff so i can match the brand (sovtek) and put one of the other jacks in the big muff. decisions, decisions...
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 440 (12/21/02 12:04 am) Reply	scatterbrained oh yeah, i forgot to post that i put my friend's strat neck on my guitar a couple weeks ago so that i could see if i liked rosewood or maple better. there wasn't a huge difference, but i went with rosewood (mainly because it was available-i had already lost an ebay auction on a maple neck). anyway, that's all the posting for tonight....i hope
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 441 (12/21/02 12:12 am) Reply	i lied www.stewmac.com/cgi-bin/h...log/p.html if this will work, i'll install another pot in my guitar and go with this mod.
JKT registered miniboss Posts: 23 (12/21/02 1:23 am) Reply	SHUT UP PLZ PLZ SHUT UP thx (if the last 4 posts are by you, assume the thread isn't going anywhere)
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 269 (12/21/02 12:05 pm) Reply	Re: SHUT UP PLZ i bought a peavey raptor strat, black with white pickguard like my ibanez, for $20...i got a $200 guitar for $20 pretty good my sg is still not working, im going to get another pickup soon and my roadster still owns everything ive been borrowing a ibanez 6 string bass, ive been seeming to use nothing but ibanez and peavey guitars and basses for a long while now... sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
endar registered miniboss Posts: 67 (12/21/02 12:25 pm) Reply	Re: SHUT UP PLZ Mig, nice man. Be sure to post some pics, maybe even a few sound clips. Curious what that black ice thing sounds like. I picked up a POD for Christmas. Can't wait to mess around with it (had to order it). endar..
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 443 (12/21/02 12:28 pm) Reply	black ice if i do the black ice mod, it won't be happening for a couple months. if/when i do it, i'll definitely let you know. as for pics-you'll probably be seeing them as soon as i get my new neck. maybe some pics of my bass too.
the Wozz registered miniboss Posts: 138 (12/21/02 5:12 pm) Reply	i recommend the Ibanez GAX 70 has the smoothest neck in history, I favor it over any gibson or fender neck. Think about this neck, its niiiiiiiiiiiiice.
BornInCrimson registered miniboss Posts: 379 (12/22/02 1:18 am) Reply	hey I am officially lending my support to this thread's continued existance . That black ice thing looks awesome, but I'd personally try it on a beater guitar first, and I don't have one. Maybe if I went and assembled a guitar like the other gearheads . Anyone here ever put together a guitar with a set neck tho? Honestly I don't see how people can play with a bolt-on if given the choice.
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 270 (12/22/02 1:20 pm) Reply	Re: hey set neck is wack- i've done both for several years now, i really prefer bolt on's.. i also do a lot of bending in the neck with the style that i play, i feel scared to do it if im using a set neck..you can hear this a lot on the 'yesteryear' album, towards the end..i had a tremolo on the sg i was using that went up and down, but i still didnt use it as much as i bent the neck.. sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 445 (12/26/02 6:35 pm) Reply	@#%$ mexico after drilling, redrilling, and drilling again to get my bass pickups to fit, i've decided that i'm not going to buy made in mexico fenders anymore. anyway, i finally got the damn pickups in place and they sound fantastic. i think i'll be playing my bass until i get my new neck (goes in the mail tomorrow, should have it next week).
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 278 (12/26/02 7:10 pm) Reply	Re: @#%$ mexico i might get a steinberg. i think its steinberg. steinberger maybe? i donno. i mgoing to look into it. sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 446 (12/26/02 7:25 pm) Reply	? are you talking about those headless monstrosities?
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 449 (1/2/03 4:55 pm) Reply	it's here my neck just arrived via fedex. it's quite chilly after sitting in the back of the fedex truck, so i'm waiting till it warms up to put it on. so far i can tell some differences between my tele neck and this one. 1. it's fatter-just how i wanted it 2. the frets are flatter and wider-don't know how this will affect playability. 3. the new neck has a different finish on it 4. the truss rod is accessed at the heel of the neck, rather than the headstock. this means that truss rod adjustments will be a pain in the ass. i hope to have pics soon, but that will probably have to wait til i get back to school (next sunday).
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 450 (1/2/03 6:37 pm) Reply	ho yeah after giving it ample thawing time, i prepared to attach my new neck to my tele. whilst i was removing my strings, the high e snapped. perfect. anyway, that was the worst that happened. the neck fits fine, and feels great. much fatter and fits my hand better. i also think it added some sustain. now i just need some new strings.
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 290 (1/2/03 7:11 pm) Reply	Re: ho yeah yeah, the headless guitars. endless sustain on them. thats the point...its great sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 457 (1/17/03 3:01 pm) Reply	Re: ho yeah pictures from my digital camera are sucking the ass. once i get this problem fixed, i'll post some pics. anywho-i called warmoth today and ordered my mockingbird body. i was planning on putting a humbucking tele bridge on it, but that was going to require some extra work from the guys at warmoth and some extra funds from me. so i deided to just go with a hardmount bridge. now all i need to get is an output jack, some pots, mounting rings, and a neck pickup and i'll be in like flynn. anyway, i should have my order in about three weeks. oh yeah, i'm planning on staining it red, so i'll have to do that as well. expect pictures (assuming my camera/computer stops sucking).
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 126 (1/17/03 3:27 pm) Reply	back on the thread I hadn't realized that it had been so long since I last posted to this thread, and it took me a while to catch up. So this new neck you got, what is it? The '62 reissue? Japanese? So, you're planning on staining the body yourself. I hope that you have a better time than I had. What kind of stain are you using? Just curious. I'm planning out another Warmoth project. It's amazing, I basically built two new guitars last summer and then it was very much out of my system for a little while, but now I've been scheming up a thinline tele idea with SD cool rails. I'm going to be thinking about it for months, I know it. I'd love to see some photos, too.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 458 (1/17/03 3:31 pm) Reply	Re: back on the thread it is indeed a japanese 62 reissue, and it is fat and fantastic. i havent' gottne the stain yet. i'm going to go parooze the hardware store in a couple minutes. i'll try to get pics of the tele with it's new neck asap. i'll do the same once i start the mockingbird project. i'll expect pics of your thinline as well (if/when you go through with it).
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 127 (1/17/03 4:10 pm) Reply	Re: back on the thread Okay, that's what I was going to warn you about. I used Minwax stain on my carvin project and it turned out really badly. I would recommend you buy some real guitar stain, or try to find some info on the web about staining curved wood. The real problem comes from the wood absorbing different amounts of stain depending on the wood grain, and so you end up with really heavy staining around the ends of the guitar but not on the top or back and it looks really uneven compared to a stained guitar you'll find on the floor of a guitar shop. Maybe it's just technique. You can find a wealth of info, plus supplies and colored nitro paints at www.reranch.com.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 459 (1/17/03 4:37 pm) Reply	Re: back on the thread ok, you're the second person to suggest that site; and since i didn't find what i was looking for, i'll most likely just order it from there. by the way, what kind of wood your last project guitar made of (the one you stained)?
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 128 (1/24/03 9:46 am) Reply	Re: back on the thread Alder. It was a cheapy from Carvin. The wood grain was very inconsistent so the front side of it looks splotchy too. I guess I probably should have used some grain filler or something, primed the bastard.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 466 (1/24/03 10:29 am) Reply	Re: back on the thread yes, i believe grain filler is a good idea. i imagine i'll have to get some. i received some parts for my guitar yesterday. pots, output jack, etc. i also put some 250k pots in my telecaster, as well as knobs on those pots. so, as much as i hate to say it, i think my tele is finally finished. at least i have a new project to work on. i can post some pics later today, but they'll be pretty shitty quality. i'll post them and probably post some better quality pics at a different time.
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 129 (1/24/03 2:27 pm) Reply	Re: back on the thread Yeah, I wish I'd used it now that I think about it. Oh, well. Like I said, it was a cheapy from Carvin. I have definate plans to either strip that body of all its parts and buy a hollow strat body form Warmoth, or leave it as a beater guitar and get my hollow tele made to my spec.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 468 (1/25/03 12:07 pm) Reply	Re: back on the thread alright, those pics i took are terrible. i'm waiting till i get a better cable to post them. sorry. in other news: i cut my fingernails too short yesterday, tore the skin under my middle fingernail, and now it hurts like hell to play guitar. fuck.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 477 (1/30/03 7:46 pm) Reply	Re: back on the thread i don't know if i ever posted about it, but the e string on my bass has been giving me hell (not staying in the nut), so i put a guitar string tree on it today and it's working just fine. i also fiddled with the eq on my amp and my bass sounds better than ever. i should be receiving a seymour duncan jazz neck humbucker soon, and hopefully my body will arrive soon as well. i've been trying to get some info on the finishing process, but am not having any luck, so i'll ask here. i don't know if i need water or alchol based stain, and i'm not quite sure what kind of clear coat to put on after the stain (reranch has polyurethane and nitrocellulose in spray cans-but i'm not sure which to get).
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 131 (1/31/03 8:48 am) Reply	Re: back on the thread Nitrocellullose finish is what was industry standard until the late 1960s, when polyurethanes took over for cost and environmental reasons. Many people swear that nitro finishes sound better because of their organic nature - they allow the guitar body to resonate more than the rigid, plastic based polyurethane. Personally, I think that there are so many different variables that go into the tone of a guitar (right down to the differences in grain on two different guitar bodies) that it would be pretty difficult to test these sonic differences. Nitro isn't as hard and takes literally weeks or months to dry, although if handled with care you can usually let it dry only a couple of days and be able to assemble the guitar. It also wears quicker, which is why you see all those old Fenders and Gibsons with wear marking around the armrest and back of the neck. As far as water versus alcohol based stains, I'm pretty sure that it depends on what kind of finish you are planning to go with (nirto vs poly), but I can't remember which goes with which.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 478 (1/31/03 3:33 pm) Reply	shittles possibly weeks...fuck nitro. i'll go with polyurethane. i'm still not sure about the water v. alcohol, but i'm gonna check out reranch again.
BornInCrimson registered miniboss Posts: 393 (1/31/03 6:39 pm) Reply	damn My guitar has a nitrocellulose finish and I was gonna get some nicks fixed up either by a repair guy or spray. But taking weeks to dry? Damn. For some reason when I talked to the repair guy he said something about shrinking pieces down. I have no idea what he was talking about tho.
shawn phase of tss registered miniboss Posts: 351 (1/31/03 11:20 pm) Reply	Re: damn heh...those wear marks look awesome, on like 60's p basses and stuff...i love that shit. sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 133 (2/3/03 9:29 am) Reply	Re: damn Well, I think you guys might have taken what I said out of proportion. Weeks or months to completely dry. You can handle it and reassemble your guitar after a couple days of drying. You just have to be careful with it because it will be easier to damage the finish for the first few weeks or months.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 480 (2/3/03 9:47 am) Reply	Re: damn i see....well, it doesn't really matter because i still have no clue what the hell i'm doing. i read through reranch and it suggest going through a ridiculous amount of steps if you're finishing mahogany, and i'm trying to find out if i actually need to go through all of that-but getting no response from anyone. christ, this is already frustrating the hell out of me and i haven't even started yet
Bluesman82 The Ultimate Go-to Abandonware Hunter Posts: 418 (2/3/03 11:15 am) Reply	... Yeah, I was curious about finishing a guitar awhile back and after looking at reranch I was like... fuck, can't I just buy a can and spray some shit on it?
JohnMFer registered miniboss Posts: 135 (2/3/03 1:07 pm) Reply	Re: ... Well, you mentioned Mahogany. Is that the wood you're finishing? Our drummer has a Pearl Export, and he took all the hardware off the shells and took off the color covers to expose the bare wood underneath, made of mahogany. We helped him put several layers of polyurethane on them. They did not turn out to be the high gloss, smooth finish you're used to seeing on a laquer finish drumset, but were very bumpy, for lack of a better term. Mahogany is very porous and sucks up a lot of the finish into the wood, making the overall effect rigid-y, or something. So, grain filler is an absolute must with mahogany. Maple, OTOH, is not very porous, and is easy to finish with that high gloss shine. That's probably why Gibson and PRS use Maple tops on alot of their guitars, it's easy to get a very shiny smooth look. You have to remember that while we're talking about finishing guitars, we're also talking about finishing pieces of wood, something that's been done for centuries. You can't just grab any 2x4 from your local hardware store and spray some high gloss spray paint on it and have it look like a 10 top PRS. It takes a LOT of effort and patience.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 481 (2/3/03 2:31 pm) Reply	Re: ... the real problem with mahogany is that grain filler will make the wood look a different color, so you have to put a clear coat on the raw wood, then dye the grain filler, then apply it, then the dying process begins. i just find it quite odd that the dye doesn't go into the wood..in fact that makes no sense at all to me.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 482 (2/3/03 3:16 pm) Reply	Re: ... fuck it...i'm just going to stop worrying about the staining until i get the body (in fact, i'm not even going to order any supplies until that day). a lot of my troubles will be solved when i actually see the color of it. now that that's out of the way. i received my sd jazz humbucker today. i've thought about putting it in my tele just to see how it sounds, but i'm pretty lazy...actually, i'll do it if i get some free time.
mig50 registered miniboss Posts: 484 (2/6/03 8:45 pm) Reply	/// i put the jazz in my tele the other day..and now i don't want to take it out. so i really need to get my other guitar so i have an excuse to take it out. i'm going to have to find somewhere to work on my new project. i don't think i'll be able to get it done in a weekend at home, and i sure as hell can't do it in my dorm room.
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 136 (2/7/03 12:26 pm) Reply	because of me, all the dorms now have security phones Yeah, I've done quite a bit of woodworking and such on the porch of my apartment. It kind of sucks. I can't imagine having to do anything in a dorm room (at least if your room looks anything like the one I lived in the one year I lived on campus). I'm probably going to be one of those old men whose garage is filled with tools and welders and air compressors and car jacks and everything you can possibly find in a hardware store, that is, once I get a garage.
capharnaum miniboss Posts: 141 (2/7/03 4:57 pm) Reply	Re: because of me, all the dorms now have security phones john, you mean like marty. he's got ALL of that stuff. p.s. i've learned too much about guitars from this thread y'all are making me feel guitar inferior.
BornInCrimson registered minibossie Posts: 397 (2/7/03 5:33 pm) Reply	auto touchup pen? So do you guys have recommendation on how I could fix up my nitrocellulose finish where the cracks are? Should I just spray it, or do I have to put some kind of primer on the wood? Also, I've heard auto touchup pens work.. but has anyone used em?
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 485 (2/9/03 4:17 pm) Reply	hoodee hoo hoo i got an email from my dad on friday saying that the mockingbird has arrived. i'm probably going to go home in couple weeks and possibly start working on it (i'll probably just have to work on it a bit, leave it at home, and go back later to finish it...dammit). i'm also a lot less worried about finishing now for some reason. i'll be ordering the dye, grain filler, and nitrocellulose tomorrow.
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 137 (2/10/03 11:08 am) Reply	Re: hoodee hoo hoo BIC - I would bet that auto touch up pens aren't nitro any more, but you might look into it. Plus, nitro "yellows" over time, so you might be hard pressed to find an exact match. As far a fixing cracks in general, well, to be honest, I've always looked at that kind of thing as part of the history and vibe of the individual guitar, and aside from a total refin, I don't have any advice. You might peruse the Fender Forum at www.fenderforum.com to get some advice about refinishing or touching up existing finishes. They've got a couple years of archives and a good search engine going. I was actually thinking about heading up to the woodworking shop I've never been to and picking up some supplies and some blocks of various kinds of wood and trying out finishing myself. I would hate to get an awesome body from somewhere and have it be my 1st experiment in finishing.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 486 (2/10/03 12:51 pm) Reply	Re: hoodee hoo hoo i'm definitely going to get a couple pieces of scrap mahogany to test-finish on before trying anything on the guitar.
shawn phase of tss registered minibossie Posts: 383 (2/12/03 2:57 am) Reply	Re: hoodee hoo hoo so yeah, i brought my sg epi back to life, and im going to try and get this steinberger gt pro custom, its $900 tho. i'll have pics of what i did to the sg tomrrow, fer sure. sp/tmpsndsltns//www.inpuj.net///tempsoundsolutions.tk
BornInCrimson registered minibossie Posts: 408 (2/12/03 4:00 am) Reply	hmm Thanks for the tips John, I'm down with history and vibes, but when there are two noticable chips on an otherwise smooth, whole, and shiny black (relatively new) finish, it detracts a little too much . I'll look into some sprays I think.
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 140 (2/21/03 9:02 am) Reply	Uh oh. I'm a little discouraged, but I think mine is an isolated problem. Currently my warmoth neck is off the guitar with all hardware removed and back in its original box. In black marker, there's a return authorization number on the outside of the box About a week and a half ago I noticed the finish was starting to peel back from the rosewood at the 12th and 13th fret on the bass side of the neck. Since then, it's peeled and chipped quite a bit and is showing signs of repeating itself at the 7th, 10th and 11th frets. I'm a little worried about it. Luckily, it's only 6 months old and they are going to fix it for me under warranty. It doesn't save me the inconvenience of having to get used to another neck two days before we begin a week with three shows, or save me the additional shipping costs, or save the time it took me last night to pull the neck off my Japanese Jazzmaster and set it up the new guitar, but at least it's still under warranty. So, I'm not going to get on the warpath about Warmoth yet. So far they've been very cool about it. If it comes back fixed and lasts me like it should, then I'll be happy and will still recommend their products.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 499 (2/22/03 4:31 pm) Reply	goddamahogany i went to a lumber yard the other day to try and get some scrap mahogany for testing-they don't have mahogany, and apparently no one does. then i got home yesterday and found that a water line came loose in our bathroom, thus the apartment was flooded. so i had to stay the night at my aunt's house, and figured i could at least fill the grain whilst i was there. then i realized that the temperature was going to be below freezing again, and figured that it wouldn't be a good idea. however, i did put my tele neck on the mockingbird body and it honestly made me laugh out loud. it's so damn ugly and i love it. so now i have no clue when and where i'm actually going to be able to get all of this work done. fun.
bluegoriya registered minibossie Posts: 354 (2/23/03 12:09 am) Reply	Re: goddamahogany about finishing mohogany like the drum set you were talking about. dont you grease your wood before you finish it, thats what i read. the wood doesnt soak up the paint or finish like a sponge and i makes it 200 time easier if you ever stripped itdown to refinish in a different color. i didnt really hear you talk about that tecnique on this thread, though i havent read it all. since you guys like to make guitars, why not make a miniboss guitar? i was already thinking along the lines of, painting a guitar with like a mural of Pantera for my friend on a 150 cheap guitar kit as a gift, then finishing it. we should do the same for a miniboss guitar. then you could put it up for auction and the money could go for a tour in your area.it just sounds like a fun fucking thing to do. Bluegoriya A.K.A. Finalfunk7
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 142 (2/24/03 3:35 pm) Reply	Re: goddamahogany Grease? I don't think any finish would stick to a greasy guitar body. You are probably misinformed somewhat. Grain filler, yes, but grease? You can oil a guitar body, like using tung oil, boiled linseed oil or gun oil, that's considered a finish and can be quite nice, even though it isn't durable at all. But once you apply an oil finish you can basically forget finishing it with any kind of hard urethanes or celluloses, because it'll never stick to the wood.
bluegoriya registered minibossie Posts: 367 (2/24/03 3:41 pm) Reply	... yeah, thats what i read. OIL. after oil, nothing would be sticking to the wood. would you paint over oil, or the oil is like a 'clean' 'natural' looking finish, and you would leave it like that?
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 501 (2/24/03 10:18 pm) Reply	Re: ... oiled finishes are indeed "natural" looking finishes. they won't be glossy as there will not be a clear coat over the oil finish. check out warwick basses for an example (i'm sure that there are plenty of other fine examples, but that's the first to come to mind).
bluegoriya registered minibossie Posts: 373 (2/24/03 10:26 pm) Reply	Re: ... so a basic finish job could be. paint, then the glossy laquer (polywhicheveryouwant) coat? is there a step before the paint. is there a step after? then after the polystuff, you have to polish it down? with what do you polish? maybe ill buy some stuff from reranch.com, just as long as there isnt too many steps. ill make a cheap guitar with a guitar kit. ill paint it for a friend as a gift. 'cause hes all into Pantera. i was thinking about a pantera mural on a guitar. Bluegoriya A.K.A. Finalfunk7
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 502 (2/24/03 10:56 pm) Reply	Re: ... if you're just going to paint a mural on a guitar, i wouldn't bother buying a lot of finishing supplies. you'll just need to strip the clear coat (possibly the paint as well), put some kind of primer on, and paint with your desired medium. then put a clear coat on top of that.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 503 (2/25/03 9:01 pm) Reply	here she is i put the neck and bridge on the mockingbird body a while ago so i could see how it's going to work out. after some truss rod adjustment it's great. anyway, here's a very grainy pic.
pingosimon registered minibossie Posts: 414 (2/25/03 10:41 pm) Reply	Re: here she is That must feel sooo damn great to have a complete working guitar that YOU built.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 504 (2/25/03 10:48 pm) Reply	Re: here she is it will feel good assuming i ever get it done (notice the lack of pickups, finish, and other necessities).
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 505 (2/26/03 2:24 pm) Reply	..and here's my other darling finally got a pic of my tele...shitty quality pic though
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 143 (2/27/03 9:37 am) Reply	Re: ..and here's my other darling Hmmm interesting. It's awfully boxy, but the grey paint and black text looks nice on it. Just kidding I can host it for you if you need. I had a dream last night that I was playing a guitar made like the guy from Cheap trick, with two kind of wood glued together in a checkerboard pattern, except the entire guitar was rectangular, even the neck, so it was impossible to play unless you had it set up like a lap steel. It was at guitar center. I also dreamt of another guitar, one like I've never seen before, with a huge lower cutaway for access to like 27 frets and a tele-style humbucker bridge that was much more modern and had all these adjustable parts. Maybe that guitar is my flux capacitor. Maybe I'll spend "30 years and my entire family fortune" building it, or maybe I'll forget about it by lunchtime. PS There is no family fortune, it's just a quote Edited by: JohnMFer at: 2/27/03 9:38:25 am
bluegoriya registered minibossie Posts: 383 (2/27/03 11:19 am) Reply	..... i see the fatty ness of the frets. interesting. is that your power death metal tele? ahahahhaha. how many guitars do you have? selling any?
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 144 (2/27/03 1:46 pm) Reply	Re: ..... In defense of my last post, at the time it was a grey box that said something about remote pic hosting not available for free members. Actually, those both look nice. I dig the tele alot. It looks like a real workhorse. I think my next guitar is going to be a tele, and I think that picture made up my mind for me. I really want a thinline (semi-hollow) tele.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 506 (2/27/03 2:20 pm) Reply	Re: ..... john-i don't know what the hell is going on with the pics. they've been going from bitchin guitar pics to grey text boxes. odd. bluegoriya-i have two electrics (one completed, one uncompleted). neither of them are for sell now, nor will they ever be. sorry. having this mockingbird is driving me fucking crazy. i want to work on it so bad, but i can't. i'm tempted to try to work on it in my dorm room, but if i die from inhaling fumes, i can't enjoy my mockingcaster. tis a cruel world we live in. since i can't find any mahogany to test on, i think i'm going to do my testing in the area the neck plate covers, and/or the control cavity (both unseen areas once it's done).
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 146 (2/28/03 10:51 am) Reply	Re: ..... I emailed the Warmoth guys today about my neck, and apparently they are going to do a repair on the spots that started peeling away from the wood instead of a total refin. I hope it lasts. The warranty is still only good for one year from original purchase date. They said it'll probably be another week before I see it again. So, we'll see. I'll probably write a review of my Warmoth Jazzmaster on Harmony Central today if I have time. I'm really not sure if I'm going to keep it once I get it back. I've been playing the neck from my Japanese Jazzmaster, which is pretty beefy but not anywhere near the Warmoth Fatback. The Fender neck is so much easier to play. When I play that neck, it just feels right. I think it's the combination of the 7 1/4" fretboard radius and slightly thinner back profile. I was also looking at the SRV back profile, and it looks similar to my Japanese Jazzmaster. Maybe I'll sell the Fatback and order a "vintage construction" SRV Maple/rosewood neck with stainless steel frets. I like the durability of the stainless steel frets, but the ones I have are too tall and pointy for my tastes. They now offer two other kinds of stainless steel frets that are more rounded and more to the shape of standard frets. Maybe I'm just a picky geek. Maybe that's a good thing.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 509 (3/5/03 7:14 pm) Reply	hmmm well, i got impatient after testing the grain filller and decided to fill the entire back of the body. it darkened the wood significantly, but it looks alright. anyway, i've decided to go home for spring break, so it looks like i'll be able to get all the work done. i'll be sure to post updates.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 511 (3/9/03 6:38 pm) Reply	grain is filled just put on the last application of grain filler. unfortunately, i missed some excess, so now there are light spots on the wood. hopefully i can get them sanded off, otherwise i'll have some funny looking blotches...which will most likely happen. oh well. i'm planning on applying dye tomorrow.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 516 (3/10/03 11:48 pm) Reply	fuckle alright, i can get the big globs of dried grain filler off somewhat, but the more i sand/apply mineral spirits, the worse it seems to get. therefore, i'm just going to say fuck it and apply some dye tomorrow (the dye is in the mixing process right now). hopefully it'll still look alright (these spots are mainly on the edges), and if not i don't really care all that much. at least i'll know better next time.
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 147 (3/11/03 8:52 am) Reply	Re: fuckle ...still haven't gotten my neck back from Warmoth. I've been playing my dual-humbucker frankenstrat quite a bit. My Jap JM used to be the guitar sitting out in the living room, but since I popped the neck off it temporarily I've got the strat out. I really like the way that guitar sounds through my Marshall. Since I have taps on both HB's, I can set the bridge pickup to both coils on and have it sound really fat and crunchy and full, and with the neck pickup set to single coil, it gives me a really full, dirty, bluesish clean tone. It's also more of a challenge to play because there's a lot more right hand technique involved in the amount of gain you want. So, filling grains on mahogany is a pain, eh? That's good to know. I think I'll stick with ash and maple and alder. My wife and I might be buying solid alder furniture and finishing it ourselves.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 517 (3/11/03 11:46 am) Reply	... filling the grain isn't so bad, it's not paying attention to the excess grain filler you left behind that is bad. oh well, i had planned on making the ugliest guitar ever. well, time to go dye some mahogany.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 518 (3/11/03 12:22 pm) Reply	red? it's definitely going to take quite a few applications of dye before this guitar actually looks read. those light spots are showing up, but they aren't terribly noticable.
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 520 (3/13/03 12:22 am) Reply	yup i'm actually pretty happy with the color of the guitar. it's a reddish-orange-brown in color (makes sense, eh?). i sprayed on a couple coats of nitrocellulose today, and i suck ass at doing so. i sprayed too heavily in some places and it ran, but you know what? i still don't care. i'm going to put on a couple more coats, and probably assemble everything/wire everything when i get back to school. oh yeah, the mounting rings i ordered are angled rather than flat, so i've been filing the hell out of them to try and make them satisfactory. fun stuff.
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 149 (3/14/03 11:47 am) Reply	neck I emailed warmoth again today. They told me a week initially and it's been two, and we're going to be moving at the end of the month. They emailed me back saying they completely refinished the neck! Initially they told me it would be a partial refin, but I guess they did the whole thing. That's awesome because there was a broken screw stuck in the face of the headstock that I couldn't get out that they pulled for me. I didn't really like position of the string trees. In order for them to refin, they probably would have had to fill the holes or something, so maybe I will be able to reposition them. So, good news! Hooray Warmoth!
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 521 (3/14/03 12:05 pm) Reply	hooray warmoth, indeed i also think pretty highly of warmoth after my experience wth them. mainly because they didn't think i was a fucking idiot for putting a telecaster neck on a mockingbird body (the only response i got from the sales guy was "that's...um...interesting"). so here's the plan as of now: i'm going to spray on another coat or two of nitro today, allow it to dry til tomorrow, drill needed holes (mounting rings, output jack plate, and strap buttons) tomorrow, take it back to school on sunday and put it all together.
JohnMFer registered minibossie Posts: 150 (3/14/03 2:12 pm) Reply	Post #199 So how many coats of nitro did you do total? Will you have photos up soon?
mig50 registered minibossie Posts: 522 (3/14/03 3:40 pm) Reply	you got 100, but i've got #200, beeyotch man, i don't even know how many coats of nitro i've put on. i lost count long ago. that damn mahogany just soaked up the first few coats of it, but now it's finally starting to get glossy. i think one more coat should do it. also, i've changed my plan. if i'm going to be drilling holes, i might as well put it all together tomorrow. i can have pics as soon as sunday, but they will be shitty and grainy...but it's the best i can do.